This is a discussion I had on Facebook with one of our family friends. It is pretty standard Fox News'esque bashing. It does get a little fun for me when April's sister Michelle starts commenting. The bashers start cheering her even though she is agreeing with me. But because of posting times it appears that she is disagreeing with me, but I guess they did not bother actually READ (or understand) what she had to say...
April Powell
They can not be serious,,, is our government smoking crack?? It's the only thing that makes sense.
Mon at 12:38pm
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April Powell
People in the healthcare business still have their jobs and they are stable, so let screw that up too...
Mon at 12:39pm
Jennifer Rhoades Adkins
Girl, this is craziness.....I do not understand how they can get away w/ all this shit
Mon at 12:41pm
April Powell
they all must be smoking crack!!! Hopefully the individual states will stop them.
Mon at 12:42pm
Steve Schlosnagle
What is exactly is crazy about it?
Mon at 12:43pm
Jennifer Rhoades Adkins
Do the "x" cons get free healtchare? cause I think our taxes paid for an eyeball ahahahahah !!!!
Mon at 12:44pm
April Powell
forcing people to have healthcare that can't afford it, forcing businesses to purchase it that can't afford to run their business as it is. Some can barely afford to pay their people as it is, so now what are they going to do if they can't afford to pay for healthcare??? Get fined and not be able to pay that either, oh and then look more money for the gov't. also the gov't officials get their own health plan still.
Mon at 12:46pm
April Powell
Jen that is soooo funny!!! LOL when you are locked up you get it for free.
Mon at 12:47pm
Steve Schlosnagle
Well, while they were "cons" the got free health care. And if they could not pay before this bill they got free health care too. Not like hospitals can turn anyone away, that is against the law.
Mon at 12:47pm •
Steve Schlosnagle
April: If they can't afford it, it get subsidized by the government. Small businesses now get a credit to help pay for it. And if you are small enough business, the rules haven't changed. But at least your workers have a better chance to get affordable insurance.
Mon at 12:51pm •
April Powell
Well we are talking about a specific con that has had one eye for a long time - it wasn't an emergency or anything like that. she is a certain person who is a waste of oxygen.
Mon at 12:53pm
April Powell
IDK Steve - I don't like it. I don't like the gov't to have their hands in it, and calling the shots, they have screwed our country up enough... medicaid and medicare programs are awful and with them wanting to run the whole program, just doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I don't trust them at all.
Mon at 12:56pm
Steve Schlosnagle
April: I trust the government MUCH more than I trust the insurance companies. I get a vote in my government, I get no say in my insurance company's policies.
I don't think our country has been screwed up by our government. Recently screwed very well by the banking industry: yes. But we are still the richest country in the world, even after that!
Mon at 1:01pm •
Steve Schlosnagle
The only way my parents can afford health care is via Medicare. How about your mom?
Mon at 1:03pm •
Amanda Richardson
umm STEVE america isnt the richest country we're not even in the top 3 Luxembourg is the richest and switzerland follows....were more between 4-7....
Mon at 1:13pm
Steve Schlosnagle
Well, it depends on how you define it. California's GDP is three times that of Luxembourg and Switzerland combined.
If you are talking about per capita wealth, yes the smaller countries are going to have an advantage.
Luxembourg as a social health care system and Switzerland has a compulsory system similar to what is in our current bill. So I guess it doesn't hurt them too much. :)
Mon at 1:30pm •
April Powell
My mom has it through her job that she worked at for years. She doesn't have medicare yet. And we won't have to worry about it when we are older either, it won't be there along with SS and if it is there for us, Obama will guarentee it not to be there for my children.
Mon at 2:20pm
April Powell
We are not the richest country!! I am pretty sure China has more $ than us. We are greatly in Debt.
Mon at 2:21pm
Steve Schlosnagle
April: Yea, because Obama is all about getting rid of your health care. And is master plan is to do that by making it better and available to everyone. He is so sneaky that way.
The CBO states that this bill will REDUCE the deficit.
People have been predicting the death of SS for quite a while now, and it is still here. I'm not saying that this bill will fix health care or SS for your kids when they are ready to retire, but I do think it is a step in the right direction.
This bill gets more people covered, with better coverage. Next bill will need to address the double digit yearly cost increase of health care. Until we do that, no one's future health care is certain.
Mon at 2:28pm •
Jackie Stover
We need to start somewhere! Doing nothing gets nothing!! All the scare tatics are working on you people!! Wake up!
Mon at 2:30pm
Steve Schlosnagle
April: The US's GDP is 14.2 Trillion dollars. China's is 4.7 Trillion. As a country we make much money per year than any other country. The second largest GDP is Japan at 5 Trillion.
Mon at 2:34pm •
Jackie Stover
Obama didn't raise my insurance payments so high I had to cancell my health plan ..you must be rich very poor or in prison to get decent health care.
Mon at 2:44pm
Melissa Just-Galloway
I don't even know where to begin. I am for healthcare reform. However, this bill is not the way to do it. Why would a healthcare bill have points in it about college grants? If this was such a clean and honest bill, why did they decide to "reconcile it" to bypass the Senate? Because they know that it wouldn't have passed. I contacted my congressmen about this railroaded, backdoor bargaining scheme and told them to follow what their constituents want and vote no.
I did vote for a single one of those slime bags. It is sad that these people our country has elected act like they want to help our nation. They clearly don't want to help. They still maintain their posh insurance policies while the "common folk" that gave them their jobs have to suffer with subpar healthcare. People don't see that the government (and liberal agenda in general) are out to keep people down. They want people to "need" them for support and handouts.
The sooner people start taking care of themselves legally and not scheming the system, the sooner the nation will turn itself around and rise back up to be a powerhouse like it once was. We need to stand up for ourselves in November and get rid of every single congressman or senator that is up for re-election...republican and democrat. Stop voting for the person that has the most money or the most well known name. Do yourselves a favor and research on your own the people running for election. Vote on what your heart and mind yell you to...not who the media and dumb-as-dirt celebrities tell us to. I will never base my opinion on what that whack job Oprah tells me who to vote for...or Sean Penn or George Clooney.
Mon at 3:20pm
Steve Schlosnagle
Melissa: "Reconciliation" is a required step when there are similar bills in each house.
Why does it have silly points in it? Because every bill does, because each representative wants to push their own agenda as well. This is not a new or unique "feature" of our house and senate.
Railroaded Bill? It has been on the floors for over a year!.
What provisions of the bill would you do differently?
And do you really think if you vote everyone out that you get much different in their place without reforming campaign finance controls? Right now it's all about advertising dollars spent. Pretty much who spends the most get elected.
Mon at 3:41pm •
Melissa Just-Galloway
How sad. It us that mind set that will prevent things from changing in the way people vote. What happened to "Hope and Change"...only a half black man can use that to get everyone to jump on the "I'm not racist, I voted for a black man for president" bandwagon?
The bill should not have been passed because the people that wrote it don't fully understand it, the people who voted on it didn't read all of it, and the idiot signing his name to it doesn't fully understand it either.
Mon at 3:56pm
Steve Schlosnagle
Melissa: What do you mean? What mind set? I stated a fact about American elections.
I research and vote my mind in every election. And I definitely encourage everyone else to do so as well.
I asked you a couple questions. Do really think we would get much different people?
Do you fully understand the bill? Did you read it all? You can say the same thing about the Patriot Act or any other large bill. Yes, I do think that every representative, even the most negative conservative, has a good working knowledge of the bill.
Like I asked before, what provision of the bill would you change?
Mon at 4:05pm •
Jocelyn Walker Powell
Here's your provision: Get a job = get health care. Why should people who already paying for healthcare out of their own pay, pay even more through their taxes for someone else's care? We are already taxed to death. The government continues to spend and spend- if congress doesn't stop spending, we will be going bankrupt, like Greece!! Everyone thinks the USA is ok because it is big- really that means we have even more to lose!!!
AND the whole China argument- WE as a nation, OWE China more than 2 trillion dollars- WE are paying interest to the communist nation to fund OUR own welfare programs!!! It's like having a credit card to pay for your neighbor's groceries while they sit on their a$$ and you're at WORK!!! It's CRAZY! WE have got to take our government back!!! THEY work for us not the other way around. THE elitist politicians can go get a real job!!!
Mon at 5:34pm
Steve Schlosnagle
Jocelyn: "Get a job = get health care" not exactly a great solution seeing that we have 20% unemployment in some industries.
But, that is even besides the point. You are already paying for the care of the people that you seem to not want to cover. They still get care, they just can't pay. So I do not see this as an argument, unless you seriously want emergency rooms to start letting people die.
As to the national debt. Yes it is a problem, too bad no one is willing to have their taxes raised to start paying it off. And don't talk to me about just spending less, they have tried that for over 20 years now and it has never worked!
I have no respect for "patriots" that are quite willing to cut programs that THEY do not use, but are unwilling to sacrifice another 5% of their income to solve this problem.
I like our government, they are representing me just fine.
Mon at 6:00pm •
Jocelyn Walker Powell
Like I said before, robbing from the people who work is not a viable solution. People should plan better and make better decisions with their money. When they make bad decisions, they should suck it up and work harder. If that means emergency rooms asking for some payment before they operate, then so be it. That is how they did it in our grandparents' days, and it worked just fine. BUT no, it is too important for people to have the big toys, computers, and cars than to pay a little money for their health care. People need to set priorities.
The reason why we have so much debt and our economy is in poor shape is because people who make 15 dollars an hour think they are entitled to $150, 000 house! THEY CAN"T AFFORD IT, and WE CAN"T AFFORD to bail everyone out of their bad decisions! Health care is just ONE of those problems! WHAT else should the responsible adults in this country fund? Maybe everyone should have a new car and a new tv too!!
The solution is not to raise taxes but to cut big government in half.
If you think this health care is the answer, have you asked yourself why the politicians are not taking the government run health care, social security, or even medicare? They think they are too good for it. We need to boot them out of office and go to a PURE democracy.
Mon at 6:11pm
Steve Schlosnagle
Jocelyn: Yes people should plan better and not get laid off or serious illnesses. And they should suck it up and work harder at the job they they can't find because there are none.
So you are for letting people die in the emergency rooms?
We do not have a $12 Trillion dollar national debt because of the current financial crisis, that has been growing in good times and bad for the last 20 years.
Are you really equating a new car to health care, you know being able to live? I think these are quite different levels of priorities.
How would you propose cutting government in half? Like I said, lots of different administrations have tried over the years, none, right or left have made a dent.
I don't think the health care bill is an answer to anything other than getting health care to more people that need it.
I would have voted for giving the whole country the level of health care that senators get. But we can barely get this small step passed!
I have no idea what you consider a "pure" democracy to be.
Mon at 6:27pm •
Michelle Powell
- In theory that makes sense, but we are already paying for those without insurance. 60% of bankruptcy is from medical bills. The cost gets passed on to us.
It is against the law for the hospital not to provide emergency care (regardless of your immigration status). The hospital eats some of the cost, and Medicaid ( the working people of the state ) pay some. If people have access to medical care - we can save money in the long run. It is a lot cheaper to pay for pap smears and blood pressure pills than ICU admissions for cancer and heart attacks.
-If anyone is writing to congressmen/women remind them that we need tort reform so that docs can stop ordering tests for CYA. This will save healthcare dollars. We also need insurance regulation. The CEO of one of the insurance companies made a $22 million dollar bonus last year for doing such a good job not giving the customers the care that they paid for. Insurance regulation would also save a load on healthcare. 33% of healthcare dollars are spent on administration. We have two full time employees who spend almost all of their time trying to get authorizations for tests and medications. If we could cut our staff/ over head by two employees we could spend more time with each patient, and charge less for those who pay cash.
Mon at 6:39pm
Jocelyn Walker Powell
Michelle for President!! LOL
I am for regulation of the insurance companies. I am against another federally run program because we have seen how "well" medicare, ss, no child left behind, etc. have worked.
A pure democracy is one where we eliminate most politicians and vote monthly on our nation's business. We can eliminate the perks of the policiticans- for example, their expensive health care, pension programs, apartments, cars, cell phones, and over indulgent staff. Those should be part-time positions or even voluntary. Eliminate every non national security agency by 50%..i.e. dept. of treasury, dept. of agriculture, dept. of education, etc. The money is there; they spend too much!
I am sure a combination of some of these ideas could save a lot of money. I believe it will be more effective than a 2,700 page bill that no one has been able to thoroughly investigate.
Mon at 7:01pm
Tom Butler
YES my little friend, our government is SMOKING CRACK ,
Mon at 7:38pm
Steve Schlosnagle
Jocelyn: Medicare works well for my parents as well as millions of other retired people, Social Security has been working since 1937. Social or compulsory heath care systems in other countries work well, and cost much less (as a percentage of GDP) than our current system.
Well the military budget, when including current operations spending, plus the domestic security budget equals about 54% of government spending. So we are already out of the ballpark by your proposals limitations.
The entire budget for the Legislative branch is 0.7% of the federal budget, so not a big savings move to get rid of them. They account for 1% of the government workforce.
So I am often surprised by the vehemence toward the "largess" of the legislature. I mean 0.7% of the total budget is a lot of money but it is still a very small piece of the pie.
But this is all besides the point, the Health Care Bill is not about saving money, it is about getting better health care to people.
Mon at 8:47pm •
Julie Condos Heckman
Hey, Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize.. Now he's about to start a new civil war.... Just remember Congress November is will be here before you know it and the American people will clean house!!
Mon at 9:47pm
Steve Schlosnagle
Jocelyn: One other point. The bill's main provision is right along your point about personal responsibility: If you can afford health care, you must buy it. No freeloading for people that have the income but would rather spend it on something else. This is just what you were asking for!
For the people that can't quite afford it, the government will help pay, they still have to pony up for it. This is a range that we are missing out pitching in now. They don't carry insurance so the rest of us end up paying via higher premiums for their uncovered care. In the bill they to have to contribute.
For the lowest incomes or no income they will be provided coverage. This may still be a sticking point for you. But, I know I have some friends that consider hard working people that are in this classification right now, so I do think it is an important class to cover. Both from a moral aspect and for the economic good of the country as well. Sick poor people tend to stay sick, better health care gets them back to working condition faster.
Yesterday at 9:41am •
April Powell
hahaha sorry I missed the debate I had to work and take care of my kids... LOL
Julie YES!!!!
Steve I would be carefull having full trust in the government. They are politics, and their job is to lie.
Yesterday at 11:56am
Steve Schlosnagle
April: Oh, I know all about politicians, their job is to get re-elected, too bad that it seems Americans want them to lie to do so.
Be careful trusting business, their job is to make a profit by taking as much of your money as possible.
Once you understand some one's objectives it's pretty easy to see why they do things.
Yesterday at 12:04pm •
April Powell
If my company doesn't continue to profit then I will lose my job. I work for a dialysis company I train on computers - they will eliminate my job once they start losing their profit I guarentee that! If people could pay for their own shit, and take care of their own families with out relyig on the govt we wouldn't be in this spot. So my first reason is everyone that works in the healtcare profession are about to get screwed, and my 2nd reason is that our Country will be bankrupt by the time my children are grown and have kids. I don't think it is the answer... I don't want the gov't calling the shots,,, I don't rely on them and I never will!!!!!
Yesterday at 12:45pm
Steve Schlosnagle
I'm not saying profit is bad, I'm just saying that their motive is to make money, nothing more than that.
The health care profession is about to have huge growth! Nothing has changed on their end other than they are about to get more customers that can actually pay! The one thing that this industry is worrying about is a SHORTAGE of doctors! So they are planning on hiring more support staff as well!
Almost all other industrialized countries have health care along these lines and it is CHEAPER than the way we have been doing it.
The only shot the government is calling is that they are saying that you must have insurance. So they are doing what you asked getting "people to pay for their own shit".
Yesterday at 12:56pm •
Steve Schlosnagle
Also: You rely on the government in almost every thing you do! Drive on government roads, eat government subsidized food, police, sewer, water. I'm sure a larger portion of your company's sales comes from Medicare and Medicaid re-reimbursements.
Yesterday at 1:01pm •
April Powell
Jocelyn I couldn't agree more w/you!!!! And YES Michelle Powell for president!!!
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